Wednesday, October 8, 2008

Please post your response for Chapter 4

94 comments:

Dawn Chen said...

Is Jack beginning to rebel against Ralph’s authority? He seems to see the fire going out as merely an inconvenience, nothing to be worried about. For him, pig is all that matters. Even though Ralph scolds him for this unfaithfulness, he seems to not care, merely repeating “We need meat.” (pg. 71) Has Jack turned savage sooner than the others? Will the choir follow him to the end? They were perfectly fine with abandoning their post for the thrill of the hunt…

Robert 9b said...

Dawn:
“’Look! We’ve killed a pig – we stole up on them – we got in a circle-‘”
I don’t think Jack is beginning to rebel against Ralph’s authority, he is just too obsessed with hunting that he forgot to watch over the fire. It’s like playing Counter-Strike till three am on Monday and you realized that you haven’t done any homework, but it’s all too late. I guess Jack doesn’t really care if he gets rescued or not.
Jack is becoming more savage than the others. When he saw his original face from the reflection of the water, he disliked it and he started to paint his face as if he was a native of the island. “He looked in astonishment, no longer at himself but at an awesome stranger.” He was becoming a barbarian.
I think the choir will follow Jack to the end because they are also obsessed with the savagery. The choir listens to Jack’s orders and they treat Jack as a leader.

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What is the significance of the littleuns, what do they symbolize? How are they treated in this story? How is Simon’s attitude toward the littleuns different from others like Roger?

Dawn Chen said...

Robert: I think the littleuns symbolize innocence, and maybe the part of us that fears the unknown. They tend to play by themselves, ignoring the older kids. Yet they are the ones who keep insisting there is a snake on the island. It seems as if they can sense what is happening to it.

Richard Sun said...

Robert:

I think the group of people on the island is like a society. Ralph is the leader, while the biguns are people who take positions with power. The littleuns represents the majority of a society, which are the common people. Ralph thinks that his power should be used for the well-being of their group, but people like Roger and Jack use their power only to satisfy their own desires.

Page 60:
Roger led the way straight through the castles, kicking them over, burying the flowers, scattering the chosen stones. Maurice followed, laughing, and added to the destruction.

Roger is really just using his power to satisfy his desires, and Maurice, who walked behind Roger, also contributed to the destruction. Simon acts differently compared to Roger because Simon has a different personality. It is shown in Chapter 3, where we understand that Simon is kind to others. He helps Ralph build the huts, while other kids would go play on the beach.

Richard Sun said...

Why does Jack openly hit Piggy? Is it that Jack hates Piggy very much, or that he is trying to get power upon the boys? On page 71:

“You didn’t ought to have let that fire out. You said you’d keep the smoke going–”
This was from Piggy, and the wails of agreement from some of the hunters, drove Jack to violence. The bolting look came into his blue eyes. He took a step, and able at last to hit someone, stuck his fist into Piggy’s stomach.

In this quote, it seems like after seeing some people agree with Piggy, Jack angered so much. Why?

Anonymous said...

“Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood”

Why are the boys so savage? They are only children! And they started to kill animals! Why they all go to get some fruits instead of meat? This quote has shown the savageness of the kids. They started to become cave man, cruel and violence. But they become like this is because is the only way they can survive from starving. They have no choice. Also it shows the happiness of the boys hunt down a pig finally, and because they are happy they started go over too much.

Kathy C. said...

Why does Jack openly hit Piggy? Is it that Jack hates Piggy very much, or that he is trying to get power upon the boys?

““You would, would you? Fatty?” Ralph made a step forward and Jack smacked Piggy’s head. Piggy’s glasses flew off and tinkled on the rocks.”
I think that Jack hates Piggy because he’s reasonable and of his physical appearance. He’s also trying to show the boys that he is a person with power so the boys will respect him. I think Jack is angry with the boys who agree with Piggy because he doesn’t think Piggy is a person that should be listened to.

Why did Jack let the fire go out? Is it because he was too busy hunting, or he doesn’t care about the fire at all anymore? When Jack apologized to Ralph about the fire, why didn’t Ralph accept it and said it was a dirty trick?

Allen said...
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Allen said...

Is Jack beginning to rebel against Ralph’s authority? He seems to see the fire going out as merely an inconvenience, nothing to be worried about. For him, pig is all that matters. Even though Ralph scolds him for this unfaithfulness, he seems to not care, merely repeating “We need meat.” (pg. 71) Has Jack turned savage sooner than the others? Will the choir follow him to the end? They were perfectly fine with abandoning their post for the thrill of the hunt…:

I don't think think Jack is beginning to rebel against Ralph's authority. He simply wants to hunt and kill pigs for meat, ever since the first time Ralph, Simon and Jack climbed up the mountain. Jack is like a native chief that only cares about hunting and his power over the choir. I think that Jack has turned savage sonner than the others and has become the backbone of chaos and crime. He has always been the violent one, and has acted like a native before and after his hunts for meat. I think the choir would abandon him later on in the story because when they find out what kind of a person Jack has become, they would leave his leadership, as some have done when Ralph was elected leader. The choir was fine with abandoning their post for the hunt is something simple like skipping class for a field trip. It means nothing to following Jack to the end.




Does Ralph care for Piggy after Jack hit him?

Shannon L said...

I think that Jack shows the fastest degradation here. On page 69, he leads a hunting party back with a dead pig, chanting "Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood." He's gone to primitive chanting in 3-word sentences, when he was capable of complex sentences about 5 weeks ago. None of the "biguns" yet have shown such loss of speech. Also on page 69, Jack says, "There was lashings of blood. YOu should have seen it!" while laughing. Laughing. Nobody in their right mind laughs while mentioning the death of another living being, human or not. On page 64, Jack paints a mask on himself out of red clay, white clay, and charcoal. He danced around with it on, laughing "and his laughter became a bloodthirsty snarling." In the end of the paragraph, Jack and the others are discussing about hunting a pig, and "the mask compelled them." Jack is now controlled by a mask, which is painted on to his own face. No longer is he obeying a human, or any other living being for that matter. He is obeying face paint. On himself. He's completely shattered now.

Shannon L said...

Allen: I think you're right. he's probably unconsciously disobeying ralph. To him, he's not disobeying. he's jsut working for the greater good, and he believes that in order to help, he must get meat.

Elissa Lee said...

Richard: I think Jack hit Piggy because he was releasing pressure and anger from all the taunts and accusations Ralph directed toward him. He couldn't really hit Ralph, because Ralph is still chief and holds a great amount of power over them. But it is obvious that Ralph's ideas and values come from Piggy, and Piggy thinks the fire is important, which is why Ralph does too, which is why Ralph is talking to Jack in such a way.

Kathy: Jack probably doesn't really care about being rescued anymore. You can tell from all his motives that he is 'becoming part of nature' - with his hunting and chanting and painted face. I don't think Jack really meant the apology, which is why Ralph didn't accept it.

Fernando: I think Jack's hunting is more for the hunting, the process itself, rather than the meat - the goal. Kids watch TV, media tells us that killing is cool, hunting is cool, and Jack wants to be a part of it? Maybe.


I think the choir boys - the rest of them who went to kill the pig with Jack, will stay with Jack throughout Jack and Ralph's breaking out conflict. I somewhat understand how much Jack is becoming primitive, but there are not many mentions about the other boys painting faces and hunting pigs on their own. Why do they follow him so? Is it only because he's their choir master? (or something like that)

Stanley Su said...

Shannon & Allen : I agree with you both. I think that Jack is showing his immature side unintentionally. Jack is extremely stubborn and ignorant; Jack wants to kill the pig no matter what it takes and when Ralph tells him otherwise Jack doesn't listen to him and keeps hunting the pig. Jack is way too carried away with hunting the pig; he even got many others to hunt with him. He sacrificed their fire just to get the pig; they sacrificed pretty much there only hope or signal of being rescued. Does Ralph ultimately forgive Jack or has he lost his trust completely for Jack and believes that he is irresponsible and unreliable?

Sandra said...

Kathy-
I think that Jack let the fire go out because he was too caught up in killing and hunting the pigs, and that it didn't really matter to him whether the fire went out or not. It seemed as if Jack would rather stay on the island to hunt and kill pigs, than to be rescued and sent back to civilization. When Jack said, "the job was too much. we needed everyone," he was avoiding the subject of the ship. Ralph wanted to be rescued so much, so he didn't forgive Jack. Jack just let away a chance of them being rescued.

Does Jack really care if they get rescued or not? Or does he just care about hunting pigs?

Anonymous said...

Sandra: Hi Sandra! haha. :D I think jack no longer really cares about being rescued, and I dont think he even remembers what it is. All he now cares about is to slit a pig's throat and to watch the blood gush out. :)

Question:
Is Piggy more of the outcast in these chapters now? It seems like everyone hates him, even Ralph. "Ralph turned and smiled involuntarily. Piggy was a bore; his fat, his ass-mar, and his matter-of-fact ideas were dull, but there was always a little pleasure to be got out of pulling his leg, even if one did it by accident." [p. 65]

Anthony said...
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Anthony said...

Yet again, I have yet to have found someone to reply to. I shall reply to somebody as soon as I could. Without further ado, here's my chapter 4 response:

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As soon as I started reading the chapter, I’ve been pondering on the chapter’s title. The chapter’s title was “Painted Faces and Long Hair”. After reading the entire chapter, I found it obvious why it was “Painted Faces”, but I still couldn’t get “Long Hair”, because, from what I’ve seen, nothing particular about hair length was mentioned. Though it is obvious that after a long time, anybody’s hair would gain significant length if uncut, it doesn’t to play any significance in this chapter. Then again, there were several mentions of “shocks of hair” here and there; perhaps they refer to long hair? I’m kind of thinking that long hair can symbolize the slow loss of civilization to the boys; how they are slowly become more and more somewhat primitive.
What struck me most significant in this chapter the most was when Piggy cried “You and your blood, Jack Merridew! You and your hunting! We might have gone home—“. Perhaps I may have remembered this the most because it shows strong expression, but there’s more to that. Piggy said this because he was upset that the boys couldn’t go home after Jack put out the signal smoke to go hunting. This shows how independent Jack is, yet how ambitious and stubborn he is as well. Jack has too much lust for himself; hopefully, he learns his lesson. He has watched way too many violence films, I tell you. From this scene, I can really tell that the smoke symbolizes hope, and I think Jack may represent the dowser of hope.
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Andy Hsu said...
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Andy Hsu said...

ALLEN:
No, I don’t think Ralph cares for Piggy after Jack hit him. Ralph’s mind seems to be on something else after he saw the ship. He didn’t speak much after Jack hit Piggy, he only called a meeting.
Piggy is seen as an outsider to many of the kids; he is the only person with specs, asthma, and is fat. Many examples of Piggy being excluded from the group of boys can be seen throughout first few chapters. On page 44, ‘“I got the conch,” said piggy, in a hurt voice. “I got a right to speak.” They looked at him with eyes that lacked interest in what they saw, and cocked ears at the drum-roll of the fire.’ Another example can be seen on page 65, “You said you wanted things done. So as we could be rescued.” “Oh, shut up.” Since Piggy is an outsider, the group of boys cares less about him. This is why Jack chooses to release his anger upon Piggy instead of other boys.

Is Ralph doing a good job as a leader?

Matthew Li said...

Robert's Question What is the significance of the littleuns, what do they symbolize? How are they treated in this story? How is Simon’s attitude toward the littleuns different from others like Roger?

I think the significance of the littleuns is that they are the innocence of a child’s mind. They symbolize purity, for they are still young. Ralph seems to be the one in the middle, between the littleuns that represent innocence and the bigger ones like Jack that represent savagery. “The smaller boys were known now by the generic title of ‘littleuns.’ The decrease in size, from Ralph down, was gradual; and though there was a dubious region inhabited by Simon and Robert and Maurice, nevertheless no one had any difficulty in recognizing biguns at one end and littleuns at the other.” (Page 59) They are often treated like obstacles and just background people, and aren’t paid much attention by the biguns except for Simon. Simon treats them well, unlike people like Roger who do not care for the littleuns.

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What does the war paint symbolize? How did Jack feel when he put on the paint-mask? What was the force that drew them to hunt?

Jackie Yang said...

Richard: I think Jack hit Piggy because he was angry with his humiliation. First Ralph got angry with him, saying, "There was a ship, Out there. You said you'd keep the fire going and you let it out!" (pg. 70) Then, the boys in his choir agreed with Piggy when he said, "You didn't ought to have let that fire out. You said you'd keep the smoke going-" (pg. 71) This was probably very degrading for Jack. Imagine your friends agreeing with someone you've never considered a friend when he or she is reprimanding you. The feeling of being proven wrong would probably make anyone angry. Jack punched Piggy because he was the only person he could afford to be angry with. There's no chance he could punch Ralph and get away with it. Golding even wrote "He took a step, and able at last to hit someone, stuck his fist into Piggy's stomach." (pg. 71)

James Moh said...

Matt:
I don't think to war paint is more of a symbol, but I think that it obviously shows how Jack is changing from a normal boy into a savage. Jack felt like a different person when he put on the war paint. "He looked in astonishment, no longer at himself, but an awesome stranger." After he put on the paint he started going a bit crazy; dancing around and snarling. This clearly shows the kind of person Jack is becoming. Savagery and bloodthirst are the forces that pull them into the hunt.

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What are the relationships between Ralph, Piggy, and Jack becoming like? What kind of conflict might arise from the disagreement of the children?

Jackie Yang said...
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Jackie Yang said...

What was the Golding's point in writing about the incident between Henry, Percival, Johnny, Roger, and Maurice. The author might have just written about that event to describe what usually happens during the day, or how older kids and the younger children interact, but is there any other significance in it?

jasper luoh said...

Stanley:

I think that Ralph is starting to mistrust Jack. He obviously doesn't believe that Jack is capable of maintaining something even as simple as a fire. Jack denies that he is doing anything wrong. When they confront each other after the ship passes, Ralph blames Jack. "You let the fire go out." Jack checked, vaguely irritated by this irrelevance but too happy to let it worry him." Ralph is angry because Jack didn't keep the fire going and has just cost them a chance for freedom, but Jack doesn't seem to care at all because he finally killed a pig. Ralph is probably noticing Jack's steady change into a belligerent savage, which results in him not trusting Jack as much as he did before when he first arrived at the island.

Does Jack still care about getting off the island? Or does he actually show signs of wanting to stay on the island so that he can hunt? How does Ralph react to Jack's new behavior?

Tyng-Yih Lin said...

After reading the chapter I wonder what Ralph is planning to say at the meeting. Is he going to shout at Jack for not obeying him? Or is he going to apologize to Jack and follow his hunting ways? I think that it is much more likely that Ralph would scream at Jack for disobeying orders as evidently, Ralph isn’t too happy about the way Jack “goes off hunting and let out the fire” (71). But I also think that Ralph would be wise enough to see that Jack has changed, and that he is much more aggressive, as he hits Piggy “He took a step, and able at last to hit someone, stuck his fist into Piggy’s stomach.”, and telling him off would simply make him hate Ralph even more instead of obeying his orders.

Jennifer Tang said...

Golding begins the chapter by describing a sense of order among the boys on the island, and he concludes it by describing the order's disintegration. Even the smallest boys appear to have accepted their fate on the island, and they have developed strategies, such as the building of sand castles, to minimize their anguish. The key to the initial tranquility on the island is the maintenance of customs from the society in which the boys were raised. As the chapter's opening passages imply, these customs are threatened by the natural forces at work on the island. The regular schedule of work, play time, and meal time is impossible in the tropical atmosphere. That the boys do not know whether the movement of the mid-afternoon sea is real or a "mirage" indicates how ill-adjusted to the island they still are.
We begin to focus on the boys'-particularly Jack's-transgression of the ordered rules of their invented society. Golding highlights how life on the island has begun to mirror human society, with the boys organizing themselves into cliques according to age and placing these cliques in a social hierarchy. The littluns have their own routines and separate themselves from the older boys. The sandcastles the littluns build on the shore represent their continued respect for-even idealization of-human civilization, and their continuing presence at Ralph's meetings signals the littluns' investment in ordered island life, even though they do not contribute directly to the group's survival. Golding employs the littluns as symbols for the weak members of society that a successful democracy strives to protect. Will the littluns going to oppose Ralph and follow evil jack in the future chapters?

Ted Wu said...
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Ted Wu said...

To Robert: The littleuns symbolizes ignorance and innocence. The littleuns are significant in “Lord of the Flies”, because they act as the weaker people of the society like farmers and peasants, while Roger and Maurice act as a more dominant group such as nobles. The power and authority are in nobles’ hands, while farmers and peasants have to listen to their orders. Majority of the biguns are pitiless and treats the littleuns cruelly. The littleuns’s ignorance contrasts Roger’s despotic attitude towards the littleuns, because Roger realizes the littleluns are weak and vulnerable, so he takes advantages of them. (Pg 62) Roger stooped, picked up a stone, aimed, and threw it at Henry. Roger gathered a handful of stones and began to throw them. In this passage, we understand Roger’s tyrannical personality, because he bullies the littleuns around just to show who is superior. In contrast, Simon treats the litteuns as his own brothers, because he treats the littuns equally as the biguns. (Pg 56) Simon found for them the fruit they could not reach, pulled off the choicest from up the foliage, and passed them back to their hands. Simon’s congenial and helpful personality shows in this part of the book.

What does the title, "Painted faces and long hair" has to do with Chapter 4? What is Golding trying to foreshadow or signify?

Jennifer Tang said...

Elissa Lee: I agree with you because Jack is the first to seriously overstep the boundaries of civilized society. His attempts to become a successful hunter are in effect attempts to succumb entirely to his animalistic nature. His painted face, reminiscent of some less developed societies, supposedly makes him indistinguishable from the animals of the forest. When Jack finally does kill a pig, as he has intended to do since the beginning of the novel, he fulfills a violent blood-lust that, until then, had remained frustrated. The other hunters share this quality; when they dance and sing about killing the pig, they show that they have succumbed to the thrill of violence. They relish the slaughter, an enjoyment that transcends pride and signifies pure lust. As they cheer on the means by which they mutilate the pig, their painted skin, chanting, and frenzy suggest they have developed their own sub-society, one based on rituals and an almost spiritual worship of blood, violence, and slaughter. They will share a common belief with Jack and since he is already the leader of hunting, people will obey him.

Silver Swordsman said...

Richard,

The reason why Jack hit Piggy is complicated. First of all, we must understand that Jack probably has the most biased head on the island, particularly at Piggy. With this mental handicap, he naturally sees Piggy as an inferior, pretty much the way that we would look upon our obnoxious little brother. When they start getting on our nerves, we get unnaturally upset. When they start to criticize you, then... we start boiling over. If he or she shames you in front of your friends, and your friends agree with him: I'm pretty sure violence would break out.

My Question:
Okay, Jack hit Piggy partially because he despised him. So why?

Kimberly Hsieh said...

Matthew:
You said “Ralph seems to be the one in the middle, between the littleuns that represent innocence and the bigger ones like Jack that represent savagery,” but what does innocence and savagery have anything to do with each other? I think that it would be better if you said that Jack represented maturity, because he is mature in some sort of way. He thinks about how they need food (meat), he has the ambition to become leader, and he hunts.

Every empire starts up messily with “who should be leader,” and so does the “civilization” created by the boys in the novel. Usually, there are the “good people” and “bad people” who treat the “people” (littluns) differently. The “good people” are Ralph and Simon, who are nice to the littluns, or the “common people.” However, Jack and Roger are cruel to them. Piggy is the supporter of the “good people” and since he is intellectual, he gives them good long-term ideas. The idea of Jack wanting to hunt is just his impulse and is only good for short term. This whole thing portrays a typical empire or civilization, and I think this is one of the major themes in the novel, which started to be emphasized in chapter four.

Why does Jack want to paint his face when he hunts for the pig? Is it more than just “so the pig can’t see me”?
I think this has something to do with him creating something new, and him hoping that the little boys would follow, and if the little kids follow him, he would have more “power.”

Kimberly Hsieh said...

Ted Wu:
I think the "painted faces" part is is related to the part in chapter four when the auther talks about Jack face-painting his face when he hunts for the pig. Long hair probably has something to do with how they lived there for a long time.

Kimberly Hsieh said...

Jasper Luoh:
Does Jack still care about getting off the island? Or does he actually show signs of wanting to stay on the island so that he can hunt?

I never thought that Jack wanted to get off the island after I read about him liking to hunt, so I guess he wants to stay. [?]

Kimberly Hsieh said...

Jasper Luoh (again):
There was this part in the book where Jack forgets about "rescue."
[I don't have my book at this point of time so look it up yourself :D]

Doris Lin said...
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Doris Lin said...

Stanley: Does Jack still care about getting off the island? Or does he actually show signs of wanting to stay on the island so that he can hunt? How does Ralph react to Jack's new behavior?

Maybe the answer is more of an in between? I don’t think that Jack only wants to stay on the island just to hunt the pig, but he hasn’t really shown any concern about being rescued. Perhaps his thoughts are influenced by both? Maybe he does still have a subconscious notion that he doesn’t want to be stranded, but the thrill of the hunt overpowers that thought, and basically takes up a huge portion of his thinking. However, I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Jack wants to stay on the island purely for the act of hunting the pig. Yes, the pig does take up most of what he thinks, but he can think of other things. However, the other things do slowly become less important for him, and he becomes increasingly obsessed with spilling pig blood. He becomes more savage, and shows ideas of primitivism, like how the act of donning a mask changes his psyche.

I think that Ralph’s reaction is something along the lines of confusion, wariness, but ultimately, acceptance. The way I see it, because Ralph is still only a child, and one who had never before been exposed to wilderness, he didn’t know how to react. Therefore, he is confused about the change in Jack, and wary of it, because it is unknown. He’s not scared of it because he’s never seen something like this happen before, and does not yet know if the consequences will be bad or not. And in the end, he accepts Jack’s new behavior, because he’s only met Jack recently, and in the beginning, they were companions who understood each other. When met with a change, he probably unconsciously decides that it’s best to accept it, and pretend that nothing’s happened, because what else could he do?

Anonymous said...

My response to Weifan (9A):

I'd assume that he despised Piggy because he thought of him as an inferior. This may be because of his physical handicap while he himself is rather capable physically. This led to violence when Piggy was criticizing Jack for his mistakes. This may be perhaps because Jack was already self conscious of his mistakes and were regretting them. Nevertheless, when Piggy criticized him, he became mad in the sense that Piggy was "rubbing in" and tormenting him when he already knew of his mistakes. The fact that Piggy was considered "inferior" but still criticizing him was another factor. However, the hit itself may just be from anger.

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My question: Does Jack regret having gone to kill the pig? and does he regret letting go of the opportunity to perhaps get back home on the ship?

Bess ku said...

"Ralph said no more, did nothing, stood looking down at the ashes round his feet. Jack was loud and active. He gave orders, sang, whistled..."

Is Ralph starting to lose his authority to Jack in this chapter?

demi said...

Chuni:

I think he regrets it all but just doesn't want to "kill" his pride in front of so many people, so he hid his regrets.
"Jack, faced at once with too many awful implications, ducked away from them. He laid a hand on the pig and drew his knife"
"He took a step, and able at last to hit someone, stuck a fist into Piggy's stomach" I think he punched Piggy only because he was feeling horrible about missing th chance to go home and everyone was still blaming him for everything that he just couldn't it anymore.


my quesion:
how much time passed by in this chapter?

Bess ku said...

Tereasa: I think Ralph was tired of Piggy being a know-it-all. I don't think Jack had ever liked Piggy. Piggy, other than Ralph, was the only one that didn't treat him like a leader. Jack didn't want to give Piggy any meat because he wanted Piggy to know that he was the one who got the pig there for he had power.

Michael Wu said...

Stanley: I don't think Ralph forgave Jack nor did he lose his trust in him. He has different priorities than him and he's confused as to why Jack seems to not care about being rescued and is instead obsessed with pigs.

Why does Jack seem to care so much more about hunting pigs than being saved? When Ralph mentioned the ship at first, he pretty much waved the whole issue off. What makes him prioritize hunting pigs over rescue?

Kristen Wu said...


“The smaller boys were known now by the generic title of “littluns.”… The undoubted littluns, those aged about six, left a quite distinct, and at the same time intense, life of their own. They ate most of the day, picking fruit where they could reach it and not particular about ripeness and quality. They were used now to stomachaches and a sort of chronic diarrhea. They suffered untold terrors in the dark and huddled together for comfort. Apart from food and sleep, they found time for play, aimless and trivial, in the white sand by the bright water. They cried for their mothers much less often than might have been expected; they were very brown, and filthily dirty… They had built castles in the sand at the bar of the little river… The littluns played here, if not happily at least with absorbed attention; and often as many as three of them would play the same game together.” -William Golding Lord of the Flies page 59

I found this quote extremely interesting. It is obvious that most of the older children hardly care about the younger children. Ralph and the others don’t even bother to know their names, calling them with “the generic title ‘littluns’.” I wonder what will become of these littluns. They seem to have become just like animals. They follow what their instinct tells them to do, and they don’t really have a goal of achieving anything other than satisfying their own immediate needs, such as to eat, drink, play, and such.
What do you think will become of the children?

Kristen Wu said...

Stanley: I think that Ralph does not trust Jack any more, after Jack completely ruined their chance to go back home on a ship. Jack seems to only care about hunting, and Ralph desperately wants them to get rescued. Jack doesn’t even seem to care about rescue any more, and hunting completely occupies his mind. When he hunts, he becomes completely absorbed in it, and he leads the other hunters into a mad hunting frenzy.

Albert Liang said...

Are the boys becoming more like savages or more civilized in this chapter?


The chapter’s title is Painted Faces and Long Hair. If one imagines this little images, I would definitely think of tribes and savages. The chapter makes as if there is a hierarchy of class, starting for chief and decreasing as size and age goes. The less agile ones, like Piggy are considered as a low class, and intelligence is below strength and power. For instance, Jack is a hunter and second in command because of his power, and Ralph, a “fair boy” is described as the perfect, agile and great kid, so he is the more powerful and worthy of chief, while Piggy isn’t. So, at the end, do you still think these British boys are savages or are civilized?

-Albert Liang 9B

Albert Liang said...

Kristen Wu: I think the "little uns" will become more of a nuisance as the story goes on. Knowing that they are weak and fragile, they will go along with the one which as more people or power, succumbing into fear of being hurt. They will not go to where it is right, but where they will not get hurt. This could become problematic in the future, for the little uns, if one gets hurt, is just pushed aside like when they said about the "beastie"

-albert liang 9B

Jerry Yeh said...
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Jerry Yeh said...

Since when did their life become such pleasurable? “the first rhythm that they became …, perhaps even sleeping.”P.58. People could enjoy the morning and the littluns could play around. These boys could survive perfectly on this island, the boys are such savage, but why are they still so angry when they see the ship with the fire on the hill top gone?

Frank 9B said...

Albert : I believe the children are becoming more like savages especially Jack and how he is becoming so obsessed with try to kill the pig for meat. “He knelt, holding the shell of water. A rounded patch of sunlight fell on his face and brightness appeared in the depths of the water. He looked in astonishment, no longer at himself but at an awesome stranger.” Also, the older boys are starting to torment the little kids such as stomping on the littluns sand castles and throwing rocks at them. But they haven’t turned completely savage since the boys are careful to make sure the rocks don’t hit the children and how others still obey Ralph with the conch when he calls for an assembly. Near the end though, you can start to feel the power struggle between Ralph and Jack and how savage they are quickly becoming.

Because of how Jack starts to act when he is obssesd with killing the pig, do you think he has lost his mind already, has he becom a madman, for all he wants is to kill? Do you think his behavior will foreshadow soemthing?

Jerry Yeh said...

Chuni: Jack must have regretted about his doings, because losing such opportunity to go home because of his playfulness or carelessness would make him the one who locks everyone on this island longer. His guilt would make him feel bad, he punched Piggy because his shamefulness turn into anger, which is an expected action from a person with such American proud.

Ted L. said...

i did not understand why the bigger boys rejected the younger boys. if i was on an island, alone and i need survival, i think i would want all the help i can get, even if its the little ones. Anyone have any thoughts?

Unknown said...

LINGHU: I think the older kids reject the little kids because they doubt the little kids can be of any help. The little ones can't do anything because they're so immature and weak and all they want to do is play.
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"He took a step, and able at last to hit someone, stuck his fist into Piggy's stomach...Jack smacked Piggy's head."
Jack's use of violence shows his antagonistic side. It was his fault that the fire went out and the ship didn't notice anything. When Ralph and Piggy accused him of being over-obsessed with hunting, he lost his temper and attacked the weaker of the two. Jack couldn't bear to be humiliated by someone he considered inferior to him. Ralph was still the chief, so Jack didn't dare oppose him, but looking at how Jack has changed so far, I think it won't be long before he opposes Ralph.

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Johnathan Lin said...

Why does Jack care more about the pig than about the fire? Does he not want to get rescued?

Alice Chan said...

The fire was dead. They saw it straightaway; saw what they had really known down on the beach when the smoke of home had beckoned. The fire was out,smokeless and dead; the watchers were gone. From this quote, I think it symbolizes the children’s hope of getting rescued. The watchers (Jack and his hunting group) only care about hunting for meat, I don’t think they really care about being rescued, or else why would they let the signal fire die? But in this chapter Ralph is different, instead of his usual not-so-serious-self, he turns really unhappy when he finds that the watchers had let the fire die. He kept on saying “You let the fire go out.” Before, when they first arrived on the island, Ralph was more carefree. But in this chapter, Ralph’s attitude shows that really wants to get out of this island and be rescued.

angela chou said...

Fernando (Why are the boys so savage?)
Johnathan (Why does Jack care more about the pig than about the fire?)

“’We can light the fire again. You should have been with us, Ralph. We had a smashing time. The twins got knocked over-’
‘We hit the pig - ’
‘-I fell on top-‘
'I cut the pig’s throat.'”


As we can see, they are gradually turning from civilized people into ruthless barbarians who only wear loincloths and think pig guts are spaghetti. Maybe that is in their nature, and there is nothing restraining them except for Ralph's level-headedness, which isn't quite enough. Jack said, “You should have seen the blood!” They have never been stranded on an island before, nor have they seen so much blood, so I think all the hunting and blood fascinates them.

Jack doesn't care about being rescued anymore. On the island, he can act however he wants without being reprimanded by an adult. He can slice pigs apart, paint on his face, and leap around half-naked, and the others won't be repulsed; in fact, they probably think it's fun and follow suit.


Will Ralph succumb to the bloodthirstiness? Will he become what Jack already is?

Amy Chan said...

Then Jack leapt to his feet, slashed off a great hunk of meat, and flung it down at Simon’s feet. “Eat! Damn you!”

After reading the fourth chapter of Lord of the Files, I found this part of this story quite interesting. Whenever Jack gets angry, a savage/beast seems to take conrtol of him. Same goes for Ralph when he finds out Jack did not keep the fire going, he turns into a savage. Why did the author want to let the characters express themselves in this way? Is the image of staying on this island forever making them go insane? Roger gathered a handful of stones and began to throw them. Yet there was a space round Henry, perhaps six yards in diameter, into which he dare not throw. Here, invisible yet strong, was the taboo of the
old life. Round the squatting child was the protection of parents and school and policemen and the law. I think this part is also significant since it displays Roger’s cruel behavior. He is still somewhat afraid of parents, policemen, and such, but he has this strong urge to throw stones and hurt the helpless littleuns. I think the children are no longer civilized.

Kimberly Hsieh said...

Angela: I agree with you :D Jack is definitely showing the human nature, because barbarians killed and killing animals for food is a human nature. The littluns are also showing their nature, because they can do whatever they want and have fun. They are showing the childhood nature that cannot be shown when there are adults supervising. But what about Ralph?

Johnathan Lin said...

Richard:
I think Jack openly hits Piggy to show his power over him. Even though he's not the leader, he's trying to act like one. I think he's more angry at Ralph than Piggy. Ralph is the one that made him apologize for not keeping the fire going. Jack was angry at Ralph since he didn't get to become leader. After seeing so many people agree with Piggy, Jack probably became angrier at him. I think Jack hates Piggy in two aspects. One, he just hates Piggy because he’s fat. When Piggy started to talk, he just said, “You’re talking too much, shut up, Fatty.” He also hates Piggy because he’s smarter than him. Piggy always makes the good plans such as making a sundial to tell time. Jack doesn’t want the other kids to see that Piggy is better than him. So to do that, he punched Piggy to kind of humiliate him. This way, the kids would respect Jack.

Alice Chan said...

Kathy: I agree with the part you said that Jack hates Piggy, because in the book it says something about Jack not wanting Piggy to hold such an important thing (conch). It shows that he doesn't think Piggy is an important person, and shouldn't be respected

hannah chu said...

"You let the fire go out....There was a ship.." Said Ralph when Jack and his hunter came back
with a dead pig.(70)

From this point of time, Jack finally show his dislike about his state of leadership. When Ralph told him that he let the fire out, saying there was a ship out there, and he let the fire out without his permission, or else they would've gone home. Jack didn't even feel
sorry or ashame of himself for disobeying the orders. He force his anger out on Piggy, who had nothing to do with this, but he slapped piggy, and broke one side of Piggy's glasses. Though, Jack at the end forced himself to apologize, somehow he felt powerless in front of Ralph. But this time he expressed out his trus feelings, how much he hated to follow Ralph orders, and when Ralph said all the lazy part of Jack, and Jack knew he's right about him, so he forced his anger out on Piggy. He seem not dared to anger Ralph, because he does not have to courage to go against Ralph yet. This could foreshadow what Jack will become the longer they stay in the island. Jack let his anger burn out little by little, until one day he had a chance to take out full force. His fire is burning inside him now, sooner or later, it'll explode. Showing how he does not want to listen to Ralph's order and many others that he hated and dislike.

Posting a question:
Why didn't all of them show disappointment when they all know that they had missed the ship out there? What does this show or mean?

Amy Chan said...

hannah~Why didn't all of them show disappointment when they all know that they had missed the ship out there? What does this show or mean?

I think they didn't all show disappointment because they were too excited that they had finally killed a pig (except Ralph). Maybe it shows how some of them has given up hope of getting rescued?

hannah chu said...

Amy: I agree with what you said. The author express it very clearly in the book about every single kid's behavior and such. Many meanings behind all these attitudes, this, I think could lead to their own destruction. But it will depends on Ralph who's taking control. As far as the story goes, unless Jack turned against Ralph, I believe things could be change while they still can.

hannah chu said...

Reply: Amy:
Why didn't all of them show disappointment when they all know that they had missed the ship out there? What does this show or mean?

Yes, Amy, I do think so too. But some of the littluns are actually crying, but still, I think they act as if they don't want to go home anymore, and have all their fun here. Jack is too into the hunting team that he had forgotten their original plan and purpose, and why they are on this island.

Kevin Lin said...

To Ted: The title "Painted faces and long hair" in chapter 4 represents the action that Jack and his crew made before they went to kill their first pig: painted their faces and their long hairs.
I think the title of this chapter foreshadows something big that is about to happen. First, I think the "painted faces and long hair" symbolizes native people or Indians. In my own experience, whenever I think of Indians or native people, I think of the times in movies when the Indians were all dressed in thongs and carried spears while their faces and bodies were all painted with paints to give them camouflage with their surrounding. I think that what Jack did was very similar to those of the Indians too. They wore thongs, carried spears, and had their faces painted so that they can sneak up on their foes and kill them.
I think that this title "Painted faces and long hair" foreshadows the cruelty of Jack and his crew. It foreshadows that one day, they are going to wear thongs, carry spears, and paint their faces and then sneak up on Ralph and his people and kill them all. It foreshadows and tells the savageness of Jack and his crew.

Kevin Lin said...

Question:
Why does Simon give Piggy his piece of meat? What is the importance of it, and why does the author make Simon do that? Is there something special about Simon that the author did not tell us? Or is it just the sympathetic side of Simon that we do not know about yet.

Nick said...

what happen to the bond between jack and Raph?
how as it snapped ?
and where did it get connected ?
after the hummilation Jack was still respected?
why?
for the meat?
for the kill?

Nick said...

To Richard
Why did Jack hit piggy.
well i think that he doesn't hate piggy its just someone they could pick on.
like in the school society there was a person who was popular because he pick on people. And so that he could transfer the humiliation from himself to piggy.
I think thats why.

Diane Lee said...

Jack is becoming increasing, creepily savage.
"His mind was crowded with memories; memories of the knowledge that had come to them when they closed in on the sturggling pig, knowledge that they had outwitted a living thing, imposed their will upon it, taken away its life like a long satisfying drink.
He spread his arms wide.
"You should have seen the blood!""

Does he not feel any remorse, or humanity? Any compassion or sympathy? His savageness is amazing. I suppose it's survival skill - "kill or be killed". They want meat, and Jack's the hunter. He seems more naturally inclined toward extreme things, such as hunting, and he became so increasingly obsessed that he forgot to keep the fire alight. Will Jack become even worse than he is now? He even struck Piggy across the face in public. If he does gets worse, it must bode ill for everyone, because Jack's power and respect seem to be increasing as he is now "the one who killed the pig and gave them meat".

Diane Lee said...

Hannah: "Why didn't all of them show disappointment when they all know that they had missed the ship out there? What does this show or mean?"

I think that they got so caught up in the bloodlust that they forgot reality. Maybe in that moment, rescuing didn't seem to matter - they killed a pig! They have meat! And they are able to provision themselves. (so who needs rescuing?) Their emotions must have been strong to temporarily forget reason like that.
This loss of reasoning sets up foundations for possible worse things to happen. If they're like this only in chapter 4, then what will they do in the rest? (12 total)

Haley Lan said...

"You would, would you? Fatty!!" p71.
Is Jack beginning to hate Ralph and Piggy because he wants to become the leader? He heats Piggy of accusing him for not being responsoble for his job. Is Jack beginnig to become savage?

Haley Lan said...

To Richard:
I think Jack openliy hit Piggy because he thinks that Piggy deserves to get hit. He thinks that Piggy doesn't have the right to teach him what to do. Maybe because he thinks that he is the leader.

kimichen said...

In this chapter, I have thought about why the children changes so fast in this island, like Jack. He is just getting more and more like savages.
Also in this chapter, the fire have a very important significant. It symbolizes their hope, which that is getting lesser and lesser. They are losing hope already, because some of them doesn't care about it any more, like Jack.
The painted face and long hair symbolizes the children’s development in the island, they are more into and more becoming savages.
“You should have seen the blood!” –Jack, page 70
In this quote, we can easily tell that Jack is getting like savages and more into this island. Which it made him forget about the ship, rescue. Not only Jack shows the reader about this, but the children are changing like him too.
“Kill the pig, cut her throat. Bash her in.” –children, page 75
This quote was where they were singing. They are changing like Jack; they are more like savages.

Daisy Huang said...

Jasper Louh-
well the book didnt show or say that jack wanted to leave the island and he seemed pretty excited to be hunters and to kill pigs and all so so i think he wants to stay

Daisy Huang said...

Why does Jack want to kill stuff so much? Why is he so violent? is he like going mad or something?

Daisy Huang said...

Why does Jack want to kill stuff so much? Why is he so violent? is he like going mad or something?

Jerry Lee said...

jack is obsessed with killing pigs and hunting....why?
pg 71, he kept on saying that the boys need meat. His desire of power is strong (to me at least).

Jerry Lee said...

to kimi: i think it's because in this case, they have the right to do anything they want. Their parents aren't here with them so they are free from anything. Jack is obsessed with killing pigs, but i guess it's because before, his parents didn't allow him to follow his interests and instincts.
so yes, they changed so fast because of freedom.

Helen said...

Daisy:Why does Jack want to kill stuff so much? Why is he so violent? is he like going mad or something?

I think jack is slowly becoming a savage. The only thing he cares about is getting meat. Not caring about anything else, he doesn't even think the fire was his fault, he only apologized after Ralph seemed like he was going to fight with him. Jack has started to paint his face like a barbarian ,leading wild and violent chants. Jack has already turned into a savage, he doesn't care about anything except getting meat. His behavior has started to resemble a barbarian.

Question:
Jack is already turning into a Barbarian, how do you think Jack will change in the next dew chapters? Will he rebel against Ralph? Will he start to live a like a barbarian?

Carol Chou said...

Does Jack really want to get off of this island? Does he really want to be rescued? I think he completely forgot about the fact that they are stranded on an island. Nobody knows where these kids are. Everybody is trying to escape from this island, but Jack only worries about the pig that they caught. When Ralph and Piggy saw the ship, the signal fire was out and it was Jack’s responsibility to maintain it and to keep the fire going, but it was out when they were so close to being rescued. All Jack cared about was the pig they caught and he slaps Piggy when Piggy was talking to him about the signal fire. So I think Jack doesn’t really care if he gets rescued or not.

Carol Chou said...

Kimi: I agree with you. I think they are become more and more like savages. They started painting their face like barbarians. You’re right, I think the fire symbolizes hope too because their fire is getting smaller and smaller, and people like Jack doesn’t care. All he cares about is the pig. Also, the quote that says “Kill the pig, cut her throat. Bash her in.” definitely shows that they are becoming more like savages.

liang said...

LOTF CHAPTER 4 RESPONSE
After reading Chapter 4, I’m a lot more interested about the book. At first, in the first few chapters, after finding out that this was a story about a shipwreck and a bunch of kids being stranded on an island that no one knows the exact location of, I was only mildly interested in this novel. I mean, I’ve read a few stories with the same plot, or so the plot seemed at first when I read LOTF, and I already knew what was going to happen in the end. That is, if the plot was the same as all the other stranded-on-and-island stories I read in the past. Like I mentioned above, after reading Chapter 4, I realized there was more to this story than just the usual plot. At first, everything on the island seemed peaceful and people were having fun. Ralph is able to govern his people and make sure everything goes smoothly and everyone is at harmony. Then, in Chapter 3, signs of mutiny and disorder start to appear. By then, I am slightly interested in this book. Finally, in chapter 4, huge signs of a twist in the plot appear, and I am instantly grabbed by the story.
“Strange things happened at midday.” This not only brings a dangerous sense to the story and adds a suspenseful touch, but also foreshadows danger. Things start to happen and no one can explain what they are. For example, the scorching heat causes mirages start to appear. “Piggy discounted all this learned as a “mirage”; and since no boy could reach even the reef… they grew accustomed to these mysterious.” This symbolizes the fear for the unknown and things that we cannot explain.
Other than their environment changing - eerie things that happen that no one can explain why they happen, the children themselves are also changing. At first, the primary aim for the hunters was simply to get food for them so they could survive. From that innocent and straightforward objective to hunt, they have developed and changed into bloodthirsty savages.
“Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Spill her blood.” The hunters start making chants that are quite disturbing. In the beginning, you’d expect this bunch of kids to hunt a few pigs occasionally and eat it as a celebration, but no. These kids start killing pigs for fun. Their desire for blood makes them violent and unaware of the things around them. Even when Ralph is trying to bring the people together in an assembly to talk about the ship they saw, the hunters refuse to give up the fact that they killed a pig.
“’You let the fire go out.’ Jack checked, vaguely irritated by this irrelevance but too happy to let it worry him. ‘We can light the fire again. You should have been with us, Ralph. We had a smashing time….’” If the fire was still going and there was smoke, they could’ve been rescued. This is a major mistake they’ve made and when its brought up to discuss by Ralph, all Jack cares about is killing pigs. He has already forgotten to main purpose of surviving, then leaving this island. The whole point of lives right now is to get someone to save them, but Jack already forgets that. If you come to think about it, if u were stranded on an island, would you forget about wanting to go home?
“I was chief, and you were going to do what I said. You talk. But you’ve can’t even build huts – then you go off hunting and let out the fire –“ This shows that not only the individuals of the group has changed, but also the group itself. What happened to the unity and order they had? What happened to the conch? The respect and politeness they had for each other?
In conclusion, I think this chapter is a major turn in the plot and is also where everything starts to go downhill.

Adam Jian said...

Reply to Kevin,
I think there is a lot about Simon that we don’t know about yet. But I think Simon is the most thoughtful and kind among all the children on the island.
“Then, amid the roar of bees in the afternoon sunlight, Simon found for them the fruit they could not reach, pulled off the choicest from up in the foliage, pass them back down to the endless, outstretched hands.” pg. 56
Simon helped the younger children get fruits and also helped Ralph build the shelters. Simon is generous and gave Piggy his part because he’s kind. I think Simon’s important to the story because he seemed to know something the others didn’t.

liang said...

Do you think that Jack will overthrow Ralph’s authority and take over his spot as chief/leader? Do you think that his desire for blood and killing will make him kill his friends in the end? Do the others notice the change in Jack?

In response to Kathy :
I think the main reason Jack does this is because of his lust for violence and blood. It was revealed early in the story that he was a member of the group that didn't get along very well with others. Later, it develops to the point that Jack starts showing signs of mutiny against Ralph. Another reason could also be the fact that he is a bully. Some people take joy in hurting others, just as Jack did when he killed the pig. The reason that he is a bully and takes joy in hurting others my be because of his life before he was stranded on this island. Perhaps he was treated unfairly and unkindly before and this is his way of expresssing his anger.

Adam Jian said...

yerry,
The children are British, not American. I'm pretty sure I've read it somewhere in the book but I can't find it right now.

Adam Jian said...

Does the sun dial that Piggy wanted to be made symbolize anything? Why did the author bring it up?

Steven Chiang said...

Chapter 4 question
Why does Golding create an atmosphere of hopelessness in this chapter? Why did the author make the fire go out? And why did Jack and his followers go hunt instead of looking after the fire? Are they becoming savages? Or is the fact that they did not care about rescued anymore and instead goes in the opposite direction and try to settle down and get accustomed to the island?

Response to Ted L: I think the big kids are not rejecting the little kids. I think they are just trying to live their own lives on the island, because they are at the age where they want to be alone, or be with people of the same age. They are not at the stage where they try to teach others, so they would no go ahead and teach the little kids how to help them. Sometimes it is too hard, but I personally think they just don’t care that much. They have everything they needed. Perhaps they need to build huts, but really, the big kids are not up to it either, so they did not need the little kids’ help.
“In his other life Maurice had received chastisement for filling a younger eye with sand. Now, thou there was no parent to let fall a heavy hand, Maurice still felt the unease of wrongdoing. At the back of his mind formed the uncertain outlines of an excuse. He muttered something about a swim and broke into a trot” The quote shows that the big kids care to a somewhat extent for the little kids. in reality, the big kids are just trying to live on their side of the world and leaving the little kids in their side.

Robert 9b said...

ADAM:
I think that the sundial symbolizes Piggy’s knowledge. He seems to be the only one that’s trying to think up of something that is more civilized. “He was the only boy on the island whose hair never seemed to grow.” The author was trying to tell us how Piggy is the most civilized and the most knowledgeable on this island and that he is trying to maintain the civilized society with Ralph and Simon.
The author brought up the sundial to show Piggy’s knowledge and to contrast Piggy with Ralph, and also to show how Piggy is treated. “A fat lot of good that would be.” Ralph said, he didn’t care about what Piggy suggested.

andrew said...

What can Ralph do to stop Jack getting stronger in power?

He could try to get the hunters {choirs} back on his side because they have become the power, strength of the group and I thought it was a foolish decision to give the hunters to Jack in the first place. Jack has a lot of authority in the group now because he has hunted a pig and provided meat however most importantly he might has already started to frighten some of the others with his painted face and savageness. Jack has the power that Ralph doesn’t such as fear and violence and with the hunters who probably has become more loyal to Jack than Ralph by now Jack seem a lot more powerful than Ralph. Even though Ralph doesn’t have the hunters on his side he have piggy which I think plays a very important role in the group. Others are blinded by piggy’s appearance and not noticing his intelligence, also piggy process the specs which represent fire which is an important power. If Jack hadn’t disrespect piggy so much and gained piggy’s loyalty he would have already won the war against Ralph. However as we know Jack has treated piggy very badly and Ralph has become the one closest to piggy, he was the first to have met him, first person to have spoken to him even though he did no treat him like an equal he treated well compare to the others therefore I think Piggy would most likely not willingly join Jack’s side. Even though Ralph has piggy on his side he is doing poorly still. His people do not obey the orders that they have been given such as building shelter they run off after minutes of work. Jack however has his followers completely satisfied given them freedom his hunter has been swimming when Ralph’s had been working on the shelter. All in all I think Jack has become more powerful leader than Ralph and if Ralph wants to stop him he will have to give his people more freedom and do something to gain their loyalty something better than the meat Jack’s offered.

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Kristin Kiang said...

What does the mask symbolize?
When I asked myself that question, the first thought that came into my head was: Jack was changing and growing. In chapter 4, I think that the author wants us to know that Jack is becoming more dehumanized each day. For example he says “He looked in astonishment, no longer himself but at an awesome stranger”. I believe what the author is trying to say now is how Jack has completely transformed into a ‘wild human’. The second thing that came through my mind was: the ‘mask’ was taking control over him. He couldn’t escape from it even if he wanted to; its like a natural force that ‘hypnotizes him. After reading chapter 4, I concluded that Jack was more weak than others, because he fell in the TRAP made by the ‘mask’. The mask’s other traits are still an enigma to me; this what I know about it so far.

jasminechen said...

" The smaller boys were known now by the generic title of 'littleuns' " (page 59)

What is the significance of the littleuns? How are they important to the story? Is Piggy considered a littlun, because he's vulnerable? According to dictionary.com, there is no such thing called "littlun". Why does the author spell it as "little one" instead of "littlun"? It may confuse the reader at first.

jasminechen said...

Carol: I don't think Jack even wants to be rescued. When the ship came (a sign of hope), Jack didn't care about the fire.
On the bottom-half of page 53, it said, "Jack had to think for a moment before he could remember what rescue was.
'Rescue? Yes, of course! All the same, I'd like to catch a pig first--"
This shows that he doesn't want to rescued and wants to become a dehumanized savage.

Unknown said...

In the chapter painted faces and long hair, we see the boys changing looking particually at the charactor of jack, how is he changing?